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Messsage #: 427
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:56:37 +0100
From: Roger Schuster 
Subject: Image from sketch editor disappears

Hello all,

I have a problem with sketch editor. When I push the "Morph"-Button the 
scanned image disappears and only the open survey (*plt) remains in the 
morphing window. When I press "Ok" after that the scanned image also 
disappears from the main window. At the place where the image has to be 
is just a bright grey rectangle in the size of the missing image. I 
tried several times with the same result. My OS is Windows 7 64 Bit, 
German locale. Can somebody confirm this problem?

Regards

Roger


Messsage #: 428
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:51:44 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: [compass-users] Image from sketch editor disappears

Hi Roger,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. For some reason my email program
put your email into the SPAM folder and I just noticed it. (I'm not sure why
because there is nothing in your email that should trigger a SPAM alert.)

At any rate, I just walked through Morph feature in the Sketch Editor, and
didn't notice any problems. It is probably something specific to the files
you are using. Perhaps the Sketch Editor doesn't handle the scanned image
properly.

If you could send me a copy of the image, the plot file and detailed
description of what you are doing, I'll see if I can duplicate the problem
on my computer. Send the data to my private email which should show up in
the return address of the Yahoo email.

Larry

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:57 AM
Subject: [compass-users] Image from sketch editor disappears

Hello all,

I have a problem with sketch editor. When I push the "Morph"-Button the 
scanned image disappears and only the open survey (*plt) remains in the 
morphing window. When I press "Ok" after that the scanned image also 
disappears from the main window. At the place where the image has to be 
is just a bright grey rectangle in the size of the missing image. I 
tried several times with the same result. My OS is Windows 7 64 Bit, 
German locale. Can somebody confirm this problem?

Regards

Roger

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Messsage #: 429
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:53:27 -0500
From: "David A. Riggs" 
Subject: Exporting Quads

Hi all,

I'm going through the process of segmenting a large cave into
manageable quads, and appreciate the simplicity of configuring quads
in the Compass Cave Viewer. However, I can't find any way to export
the defined quads outside of the Cave Viewer. Am I missing something?

I would expect this to either:

A. Be a part of the Cave Viewer "Export 3D Formats" menu, perhaps as
another radio button for Shapefile export type.

B. Preferably, be an option in the SVG Exporter, so that our
cartographers can either export an SVG of their quad only, or so that
they can export an SVG of the entire cave but easily roundtrip or
manually align their quad with their in-progress map sheet.

I suppose that in either case, as quads are currently implemented,
we'd have to load the saved .CVW View file since quads don't seem to
be saved as a part of the compiled .PLT or source.

Or perhaps the feature is hiding right under my nose already?

Thanks!

Dave Riggs
Germany Valley, WV

David A. Riggs 


Messsage #: 430
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 03:46:41 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hi David,

I just wanted to let you know that I hadn't missed your email or forgotten
about your question. I'm actually working on some changes that may help your
situation and it is taking more time that I thought it would. I'll let you
know when I've got something finished, hopefully in a couple days.

Larry 

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of David A. Riggs
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:53 PM
Subject: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hi all,

I'm going through the process of segmenting a large cave into
manageable quads, and appreciate the simplicity of configuring quads
in the Compass Cave Viewer. However, I can't find any way to export
the defined quads outside of the Cave Viewer. Am I missing something?

I would expect this to either:

A. Be a part of the Cave Viewer "Export 3D Formats" menu, perhaps as
another radio button for Shapefile export type.

B. Preferably, be an option in the SVG Exporter, so that our
cartographers can either export an SVG of their quad only, or so that
they can export an SVG of the entire cave but easily roundtrip or
manually align their quad with their in-progress map sheet.

I suppose that in either case, as quads are currently implemented,
we'd have to load the saved .CVW View file since quads don't seem to
be saved as a part of the compiled .PLT or source.

Or perhaps the feature is hiding right under my nose already?

Thanks!

Dave Riggs
Germany Valley, WV

David A. Riggs 

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Messsage #: 431
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:33:27 +0100
From: Roger Schuster 
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hello all,

Davids question leads me to ask how to draw cave maps in Inkscape which 
need more than one page for the final output. Is there a good strategy 
to draw multi-page cave atlases with SVG Exporter and Inkscape without 
loosing the possibility of round trip editing and morphing an already 
drawn map?

Regards,

Roger

Am 25.01.2014 11:46, schrieb Larry:

 Hi David,

 I just wanted to let you know that I hadn't missed your email or 
 forgotten about your question. I'm actually working on some changes 
 that may help your situation and it is taking more time that I thought 
 it would. I'll let you know when I've got something finished, 
 hopefully in a couple days.

 Larry

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 *From:*[email protected] 
 [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David A. Riggs
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:53 PM
 *To:* [email protected]
 *Subject:* [compass-users] Exporting Quads

 Hi all,

 I'm going through the process of segmenting a large cave into
 manageable quads, and appreciate the simplicity of configuring quads
 in the Compass Cave Viewer. However, I can't find any way to export
 the defined quads outside of the Cave Viewer. Am I missing something?

 I would expect this to either:

 A. Be a part of the Cave Viewer "Export 3D Formats" menu, perhaps as
 another radio button for Shapefile export type.

 B. Preferably, be an option in the SVG Exporter, so that our
 cartographers can either export an SVG of their quad only, or so that
 they can export an SVG of the entire cave but easily roundtrip or
 manually align their quad with their in-progress map sheet.

 I suppose that in either case, as quads are currently implemented,
 we'd have to load the saved .CVW View file since quads don't seem to
 be saved as a part of the compiled .PLT or source.

 Or perhaps the feature is hiding right under my nose already?

 Thanks!

 Dave Riggs
 Germany Valley, WV

 -- 
 David A. Riggs 
  
    Hello all,
      
      Davids question leads me to ask how to draw cave maps in Inkscape
      which need more than one page for the final output. Is there a
      good strategy to draw multi-page cave atlases with SVG Exporter
      and Inkscape without loosing the possibility of round trip editing
      and morphing an already drawn map?
      
      Regards,
      
      Roger
      
      Am 25.01.2014 11:46, schrieb Larry:

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Messsage #: 432
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:07:38 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hi Roger,

I don't have much experience building multipage cave maps but I have some
thoughts. Inkscape has just recently added multipage support, but I'm not
sure how useful it will be. The round-tripping model that David Mackenzie
developed and Compass uses, doesn't allow you to split the plot up or
associate specific parts of the drawing with specific surveys. Drawings are
morphed based their distance from the nearest cave plot line. There is no
way to make that work with more than one SVG page. 

All this means that you would have to treat each page in your catalog as a
completely different file. Doing that also gives you lots of control of how
each drawing looks. The SVG Exporter, saves all kinds of information in the
SVG file, such as precisely which surveys and shots are used, so that when
you go to round-trip the data, the SVG Exporter will be in sync with your
drawing.

 Here are some thoughts on maintaining the ability to round-trip your
drawing at a later date:  

1. Choose one drawing program and stick with it. Don't try to use both
Inkscape and Illustrator on the same drawing. If you are making relatively
small drawings, I would choose Inkscape. It is easier to use, more intuitive
and it maintains strict SVG compatibility. On the down side, it is slow on
large complicated, detailed maps. (I'm hoping that newer versions will be
faster.) On the other hand, Illustrator is much faster, especially dealing
with large files. For example, it speeds things up by limiting how much
detail it draws when it is you are zoomed out a complex drawing. 

2. If you are using Adobe Illustrator, be very careful. Make lots of backups
and check to make sure any changes you've made haven't created problems.
I've seen Illustrator not be able to open a file that it saved 30 seconds
ago. Also, if you are using Illustrator, stick with one version. Every
version has a different set of problems and using more than one version will
compound the problems.

3. The whole Round-Tripping concept is based on SVG files. SVG is an open
standard with rules. Round-Tripping relies on those rules to be able to find
and morph passage drawings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics

Inkscape is built on SVG. SVG is its native format and it follows the SVG
rules exactly.

Illustrator is not based on SVG. It has its own native format and it only
"Imports" or "Exports" SVG. Once it imports SVG, it does not maintain SVG
internally. It converts the drawing to its own native format. When you are
ready to export SVG, it converts it back. The drawing will look the same,
but there is no guarantee that all the layers will be organized the same
way. 

For example, it may move cave features to different layers and rename
round-tripping layers, so the Morphing tools can't find them. In general,
when you export a file from Illustrator, turn off all the fancy export
features like saving data to PDF sections.

In addition, there are a half a dozen versions of Illustrator out there and
everyone handles the imports/export process differently. Some things work
well in one version and not in another. The SVG Exporter has tools to
correct these problems, but if a map has been edited multiple versions of
Illustrator, the problems may be compounded to the point where it is
difficult to fix. 

Let me know if you have any questions or other ideas.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hello all,

Davids question leads me to ask how to draw cave maps in Inkscape which need
more than one page for the final output. Is there a good strategy to draw
multi-page cave atlases with SVG Exporter and Inkscape without loosing the
possibility of round trip editing and morphing an already drawn map?

Regards,

Roger

Am 25.01.2014 11:46, schrieb Larry:

Hi David,

I just wanted to let you know that I hadn't missed your email or forgotten
about your question. I'm actually working on some changes that may help your
situation and it is taking more time that I thought it would. I'll let you
know when I've got something finished, hopefully in a couple days.

Larry 

  _____  

From:   [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David A. Riggs
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:53 PM
Subject: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hi all,

I'm going through the process of segmenting a large cave into
manageable quads, and appreciate the simplicity of configuring quads
in the Compass Cave Viewer. However, I can't find any way to export
the defined quads outside of the Cave Viewer. Am I missing something?

I would expect this to either:

A. Be a part of the Cave Viewer "Export 3D Formats" menu, perhaps as
another radio button for Shapefile export type.

B. Preferably, be an option in the SVG Exporter, so that our
cartographers can either export an SVG of their quad only, or so that
they can export an SVG of the entire cave but easily roundtrip or
manually align their quad with their in-progress map sheet.

I suppose that in either case, as quads are currently implemented,
we'd have to load the saved .CVW View file since quads don't seem to
be saved as a part of the compiled .PLT or source.

Or perhaps the feature is hiding right under my nose already?

Thanks!

Dave Riggs
Germany Valley, WV

David A. Riggs   

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Messsage #: 433
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 04:24:02 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: Exporting Quads and other improvements.

Hi David and everyone else,

I've finally had a chance to finish up some changes I've made to allow the
export of Quad Maps. Basically, there is a new feature in the Quad dialog
box that allows you to export one plot file for every quad that you've set
up. These individual quad maps can then be read back into the Compass Viewer
individually and the exported to DXF, Shape, KML or VRML files. They can
also be read into the SVG Exporter for export to an SVG as the basis for
hand drawn map. The new version is up on the web site here:

http://www.fountainware.com/compass/downloads/download.htm

I've also written up a tutorial on using backsights to correct magnetic
anomalies that you find in some caves such as lava tubes. The tutorial
appears on the main Compass page:

http://www.fountainware.com/compass/index.htm

Finally, I've also fixed a problem in CaveXO, where the program couldn't
save bitmaps or animations under the Aero Interface that comes with all
versions of Windows newer than XP.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of David A. Riggs
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:53 PM
Subject: [compass-users] Exporting Quads

Hi all,

I'm going through the process of segmenting a large cave into
manageable quads, and appreciate the simplicity of configuring quads
in the Compass Cave Viewer. However, I can't find any way to export
the defined quads outside of the Cave Viewer. Am I missing something?

I would expect this to either:

A. Be a part of the Cave Viewer "Export 3D Formats" menu, perhaps as
another radio button for Shapefile export type.

B. Preferably, be an option in the SVG Exporter, so that our
cartographers can either export an SVG of their quad only, or so that
they can export an SVG of the entire cave but easily roundtrip or
manually align their quad with their in-progress map sheet.

I suppose that in either case, as quads are currently implemented,
we'd have to load the saved .CVW View file since quads don't seem to
be saved as a part of the compiled .PLT or source.

Or perhaps the feature is hiding right under my nose already?

Thanks!

Dave Riggs
Germany Valley, WV

David A. Riggs 

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Messsage #: 434
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:03:09 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: New version of MapToDat

Hi everyone,

Several people have pointed out that it is difficult to reconstruct complex
survey using the MapToDat tool because you cannot create side branches or
loops. As a result, I've added new features that allow you to do this. You
can now reconstruct surveys with any number of loops and branch passages.
This should allow you to reconstruct surveys of any level of complexity. The
side branches and loops are easy to constructed using the same
click-and-drag techniques used in other aspects of the program. The new
version is on the Compass web site, ready for download.

Larry


Messsage #: 435
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:30:29 -0600
From: "Aram, Richard B" 
Subject: would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight
 by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!u


Messsage #: 436
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:42:34 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively
set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in
the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of
from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can
be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the
Compass web site.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change
the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by
different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to
add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are
times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!a


Messsage #: 437
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:15:50 -0600
From: "Aram, Richard B" 
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to
 change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an error message,

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:43 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,
Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the Compass web site.
Let me know if you have any questions or comments.
Larry

________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!

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Messsage #: 438
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:10:57 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

I just put up a new version that should fix problem loading the old files. I
don't have many old files around to test, so let me know if you see any
problems.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to
change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an
error message, 

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of
address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!l


Messsage #: 439
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:13:10 -0600
From: "Aram, Richard B" 
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability
 to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Super, thanks!  You are very very fast!  I will test it later today.

F'!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,
I just put up a new version that should fix problem loading the old files. I don't have many old files around to test, so let me know if you see any problems.
Larry

________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an error message,

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:43 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,
Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the Compass web site.
Let me know if you have any questions or comments.
Larry

________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!

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Messsage #: 440
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:56:29 -0600
From: "Aram, Richard B" 
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability
 to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I tried again and got a different error message

[cid:[email protected]]

F'!

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,
I just put up a new version that should fix problem loading the old files. I don't have many old files around to test, so let me know if you see any problems.
Larry

________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an error message,

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:43 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,
Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the Compass web site.
Let me know if you have any questions or comments.
Larry

________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!

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Messsage #: 441
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:41:39 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Rich,

I was afraid that might happen. I only have a small number of old files that
I could test to see if the new version would read the old data. I only had
one file that got an error and I fixed that problem. The rest of the files
read fine.

Could you send me copy of the ".ccml" file and the corresponding ".plt" file
so I can find the problem? If you have any concern about the sending me the
data, I have a strict policy about not sharing data unless I have written
permission.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability
to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I tried again and got a different error message

F'!

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the
ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

I just put up a new version that should fix problem loading the old files. I
don't have many old files around to test, so let me know if you see any
problems.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to
change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an
error message, 

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of
address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:43 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the
ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively
set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in
the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of
from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can
be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the
Compass web site.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change
the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by
different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to
add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are
times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!

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Messsage #: 442
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:48:45 -0700
From: "Larry" 
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

PS: If you do decide to email me copies of your PLT and CCML file, use the
private email address that you see in the email header. Otherwise it will go
out to everyone on the Compass Group.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability
to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I tried again and got a different error message

F'!

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the
ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

I just put up a new version that should fix problem loading the old files. I
don't have many old files around to test, so let me know if you see any
problems.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to
change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Thanks!  I'm trying it now

Will I have to rebuild my .ccml files?  I tried to load several and got an
error message, 

   Access violation at address 00578CqC in module 'View32.exe'.  Road of
address 00000000.

Thanks!

F'!

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:43 AM
Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the
ability to change the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Rich,

Based on your request, I've added a feature that allows you to selectively
set the plot line width for various parts of a cave map. The feature is in
the "Complex" plotting option and it allows you to select a line width of
from 1 to 10 pixels for any survey or section of the cave. The feature can
be combined with other Complex Features. The new version is up on the
Compass web site.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Aram, Richard B
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:30 AM
Subject: [compass-users] would it be possible to add the ability to change
the line weight by survey in the cave viewer?

Hi Larry,

I have a lot of fun with the cave viewer in 3D, and changing the color by
different parameters (survey names) is a good help.  How hard would it be to
add the ability to change the line weight for different surveys?  There are
times when I would like to emphasize surveys by both color and line weight.

Thanks for producing a great mapping tool!

F'!

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Messsage #: 443
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 13:36:36 -0600
From: "Larry" 
Subject: New Versions

I wanted to announce a couple new features in the Compass programs.

CaveXO. CaveXO now has a tool that allows you calculate passage density,
rock volume and rock porosity more accurately. The feature works by deriving
an adjustable convex-concave hull around the cave. The convex-concave hull
is layered so it accurately matches the outline of the cave at all levels.
The convex-concave hull is displayed in 3D and updates in real-time so you
can see how the hull wraps the cave as you make adjustments. 

Project Manager. The Compass Blunder Detection tool has been improved to
make it easier to find the worst loops in a cave. You can now click on any
column-header in the loop list to sort items in the column in ascending or
descending order. This makes it is easy find the worse loops in terms of the
various measures of loop quality shown in the tool. For example, you can
click on the header for the Vector Standard Deviation error column so the
worst loops show at the top of the list. This makes it easy to find the
worst loops.

Larry


Messsage #: 444
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom 
Subject: Re: [compass-users] New Versions

Thanks, Tom

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:36 PM PDT Larry wrote:

I wanted to announce a couple new features in the Compass programs.

CaveXO. CaveXO now has a tool that allows you calculate passage density,
rock volume and rock porosity more accurately. The feature works by deriving
an adjustable convex-concave hull around the cave. The convex-concave hull
is layered so it accurately matches the outline of the cave at all levels.
The convex-concave hull is displayed in 3D and updates in real-time so you
can see how the hull wraps the cave as you make adjustments. 

Project Manager. The Compass Blunder Detection tool has been improved to
make it easier to find the worst loops in a cave. You can now click on any
column-header in the loop list to sort items in the column in ascending or
descending order. This makes it is easy find the worse loops in terms of the
various measures of loop quality shown in the tool. For example, you can
click on the header for the Vector Standard Deviation error column so the
worst loops show at the top of the list. This makes it easy to find the
worst loops.

Larry


Messsage #: 445
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:15:19 -0600
From: "Larry" 
Subject: New Plt To Dat Converter.

I just wanted to let everyone know that I've created a new Compass utility
called "PltToDat." It takes a PLT file and converts it to a Project File and
one or more Cave Data files. It is useful in those situations where the
original Data files have been lost, but there is still a PLT file available.
The converted Data files can be edited and recompiled just like ordinary
Data files. Compiling the converted Data files will produce an exact
duplicate of the original plot file. On the other hand, some the shot
measurements may be different from the original file. For example, closing
loops, applying magnetic declination or UTM grid rotation may change the
bearing, length or inclinations of the individual shots in the plot file. As
a result, when the Data files are reconstructed, those values may be
different from the values in the original data files. Likewise, the values
of any fixed station locations will be lost in the reconstructed data.

The new program is available for download on the Compass page:

http://www.fountainware.com/compass/downloads/download.htm

Let me know if you have any questions.

Larry Fish


Messsage #: 446
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 09:44:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re:
From: [email protected]

Hi! http://www.ladylinetattoo.org/_redirect?lygyvafa933825


Messsage #: 447
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 03:26:01 -0600
Subject: Incremental Update
From: "Larry" 

I wanted announce a couple minor upgrades:

1. In the past, the Viewer would display loops by analyzing the plot file
data. Since the data had already been processed and reorganized, the Viewer
would show different set of the loops than the Statistics and the Blunder
tools in the Project Manager would show. 

To solve this problem, the Project Manager now exports the original list of
loops used by the Project Manager. This means the Viewer will show the exact
same loops that the Project Manager shows. The Viewer can also display an
optimized set of loops with minimum length and overlap.

2. The menu system in the Viewer has been completely reorganized to make it
more logical and easier to use. Since people are used to the old system,
they may not be able to find certain features. To solve that problem, the
help file has an alphabetical list of commands and their corresponding menu
sequence. This list is the second item in the help file.

The new version is on the Compass web site.

Larry


Messsage #: 448
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 05:54:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Incremental Update
From: Tony Canike 

Thanks Larry!   That will make it much easier to display bad loops. 
Appreciate the update, and I look forward to trying it out.

On 7/7/2014 5:26 AM, 'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users] 
([email protected]) wrote

 I wanted announce a couple minor upgrades:

 1. In the past, the Viewer would display loops by analyzing the plot 
 file data. Since the data had already been processed and reorganized, 
 the Viewer would show different set of the loops than the Statistics 
 and the Blunder tools in the Project Manager would show.

 To solve this problem, the Project Manager now exports the original 
 list of loops used by the Project Manager. This means the Viewer will 
 show the exact same loops that the Project Manager shows. The Viewer 
 can also display an optimized set of loops with minimum length and 
 overlap.

 2. The menu system in the Viewer has been completely reorganized to 
 make it more logical and easier to use. Since people are used to the 
 old system, they may not be able to find certain features. To solve 
 that problem, the help file has an alphabetical list of commands and 
 their corresponding menu sequence. This list is the second item in the 
 help file.

 The new version is on the Compass web site.

 Larry
  
    Thanks Larry!   That will make it much easier to display bad loops. 
    Appreciate the update, and I look forward to trying it out.
    
    On 7/7/2014 5:26 AM, 'Larry'
      [email protected] [compass-users]
      ([email protected]) wrote
    
      
            
              I wanted
                    announce a couple minor upgrades:
              1. In
                    the past, the Viewer would display loops by
                    analyzing
                    the plot file data. Since the data had already been
                    processed and reorganized,
                    the Viewer would show different set of the loops
                    than the Statistics and the
                    Blunder tools in the Project Manager would show. 
              To solve
                    this problem, the Project Manager now exports the
                    original list of loops used by the Project Manager.
                    This means the Viewer will
                    show the exact same loops that the Project Manager
                    shows. The Viewer can also
                    display an optimized set of loops with minimum
                    length and overlap.
              2. The
                    menu system in the Viewer has been completely
                    reorganized to make it more logical and easier to
                    use. Since people are used to
                    the old system, they may not be able to find certain
                    features. To solve that
                    problem, the help file has an alphabetical list of
                    commands and their
                    corresponding menu sequence. This list is the second
                    item in the help file.
              The new
                    version is on the Compass web site.
               
              Larry


Messsage #: 449
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:57:31 -0400
Subject: Web-based maps for the 2014 NSS Cartographic Salon
From: Dwight Livingston 

All

Web-based maps is a new category in the Cartographic Salon. I am writing 
to encourage you to enter a digital cave map, or recommend a site I can 
visit and see a digital map.

What is a web-based cave map? It is a cave map that lives at a URL. We 
want to present that URL in our salon area, alongside the traditional 
wall maps. Visitors to the salon can visit the website using their own 
digital device. Judges will review the map using a 17" laptop.

Why web-based? Digital maps made for interaction on a PC are 
interesting, but we can't provide the equipment, technical support, 
software, security, and insurance to put that in a salon. Also, using a 
browser as a common display tool encourages distribution. We think 
digital maps should be shared, and we want to recognize and encourage 
people who make it happen.

What types of web-based maps are we talking about? Interactive maps, 
metadata displays, 3D models, photo tours.

For more information, see the Cartographic Salon website 
.

Thanks

Dwight Livingston
NSS Cartographic Salon chair.
  
    All
    
    Web-based maps is a new category in the Cartographic Salon. I am
    writing to encourage you to enter a digital cave map, or recommend a
    site I can visit and see a digital map.
    
    What is a web-based cave map? It is a cave map that lives at a URL.
    We want to present that URL in our salon area, alongside the
    traditional wall maps. Visitors to the salon can visit the website
    using their own digital device. Judges will review the map using a
    17" laptop.
    
    Why web-based? Digital maps made for interaction on a PC are
    interesting, but we can't provide the equipment, technical support,
    software, security, and insurance to put that in a salon. Also,
    using a browser as a common display tool encourages distribution. We
    think digital maps should be shared, and we want to recognize and
    encourage people who make it happen.
    
    What types of web-based maps are we talking about? Interactive maps,
    metadata displays, 3D models, photo tours.
    
    For more information, see the Cartographic
      Salon website.
    
    Thanks
    
    Dwight Livingston
    NSS Cartographic Salon chair.


Messsage #: 450
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:30:21 -0700
Subject: malware false positive?
From: Tom 

avast detects compass install as malware???

it didn't do that for previous versions.

I'm going to download it on a different pc that has a different antivirus program.

Tom

avast detects compass install as malware???it didn't do that for previous versions.I'm going to download it on a different pc that has a different antivirus program.Tom


Messsage #: 451
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 03:03:18 -0600
Subject: RE: [compass-users] malware false positive?
From: "Larry" 

Hi Tom,

I believe this is a "false-positive." It happens with Antivirus programs
periodically when I upload a new version. In general, this doesn't mean that
Compass contains malware. As long as you got your copy of Compass from the
Compass web site, you should be safe. I keep my work computer free of
viruses and I always install the latest version of Compass on my own
computers to make sure there are no problems. There are several causes of
these "false-positives:"

1. Signatures. Antivirus programs work by looking for malware "signatures"
in a program. A signature is a pattern of bytes in the program that
correspond to a particular virus or piece of malware. Every time I create a
new version of Compass the pattern of bytes in the programs change.
Occasionally, the pattern of bytes accidentally matches one of the
signatures and the antivirus program will flag it as containing malware.

2. Experience. Some antivirus programs keep track of every program their
users install and store the data in a big data base at their offices.
Programs that haven't been installed on many computers are given extra
scrutiny and sometimes automatically flagged as having malware just because
not many people use the program.

Antivirus programs can't rely on the program's name to determine if the
program is used by many people. It would be too easy to forge a counterfeit
name. Instead, they generate a signature that uniquely identifies the
program. Every time I create a new version of Compass, the signature
changes. As a result, virus programs often think Compass is a brand new
program even though Compass has been around for more than 30 years.

Supposedly, one way to prevent this problem is to "digitally sign" the
programs. This requires buying a digital certificate which can cost up to
$400 and has to be renewed every year. I'm still trying to decide if this
option solves the problem and is worth the expense.

Most antivirus programs have an option that allows you to override its
decision and allow the program to be installed. Again, assuming that you got
your copy of Compass from the web site, I would recommend that you override
the warning and go ahead and install Compass.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Larry Fish

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 2:30 PM
Subject: [compass-users] malware false positive?

avast detects compass install as malware???

it didn't do that for previous versions.

I'm going to download it on a different pc that has a different antivirus
program.

Tom

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Messsage #: 452
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:53:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [compass-users] malware false positive?
From: Tom 

Larry,
I absolutely agree with your statements. 

Tom

________________________________
 From: "'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users]" 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:03 AM
Subject: RE: [compass-users] malware false positive?

Hi Tom,
I believe this is a ?ofalse-positive.?? It happens
with Antivirus programs periodically when I upload a new version. In general,
this doesn?Tt mean that Compass contains malware. As long as you got your
copy of Compass from the Compass web site, you should be safe. I keep my work
computer free of viruses and I always install the latest version of Compass on
my own computers to make sure there are no problems. There are several causes
of these ?ofalse-positives:??
1. Signatures. Antivirus programs work by looking for
malware ?osignatures?? in a program. A signature is a pattern of bytes
in the program that correspond to a particular virus or piece of malware. Every
time I create a new version of Compass the pattern of bytes in the programs
change. Occasionally, the pattern of bytes accidentally matches one of the
signatures and the antivirus program will flag it as containing malware.
2. Experience. Some antivirus programs keep track of every
program their users install and store the data in a big data base at their
offices. Programs that haven?Tt been installed on many computers are given
extra scrutiny and sometimes automatically flagged as having malware just
because not many people use the program.
Antivirus programs can?Tt rely on the program?Ts
name to determine if the program is used by many people. It would be too easy
to forge a counterfeit name. Instead, they generate a signature that uniquely
identifies the program. Every time I create a new version of Compass, the signature
changes. As a result, virus programs often think Compass is a brand new program
even though Compass has been around for more than 30 years.
Supposedly, one way to prevent this problem is to ?odigitally
sign?? the programs. This requires buying a digital certificate which can
cost up to $400 and has to be renewed every year. I?Tm still trying to
decide if this option solves the problem and is worth the expense.
Most antivirus programs have an option that allows you to
override its decision and allow the program to be installed. Again, assuming
that you got your copy of Compass from the web site, I would recommend that you
override the warning and go ahead and install Compass.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Larry Fish
A
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________________________________
 
From:[email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 2:30
PM
Subject: [compass-users] malware
false positive?
A
A 
avast
detects compass install as malware???
A
it didn't do that
for previous versions.
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I'm going to
download it on a different pc that has a different antivirus program.
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Tom

Larry,I absolutely agree with your statements. Tom        From: "'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:03 AM Subject: RE: [compass-users] malware false positive?   


Messsage #: 453
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:02:03 -0400
Subject: High DPI screens
From: Tony Canike 

Anyone using a high resolution display and having the station names and 
depths almost unreadable in the Viewer due to text overlapping?

I just got a new laptop with a 14" 1920x1080 screen, which has a 
resolution of about 157 dpi.   At the default font size of 8, the text 
of the station names overlaps greatly and the names are unreadable 
unless I zoom in too far to see most of the cave. The names are plotting 
larger (relatively) than normal and they overlap so much they can't be 
read.     I don't see this overlapping with the same cave map when using 
my desktop with a more standard resolution of 96 dpi or so.

In the Viewer, I changed the font size of the station names to 4 and the 
overlapping is much reduced, so that's a reasonable workaround.   I was 
looking at a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution, there were a lot reviews 
saying that Windows and Windows apps don't do a good joy scaling fonts 
and graphics.

Thanks,

Tony.

PS Larry, big cheers for the loop display change -- it works great, and 
now it is much easier to find the bad loops in the Viewer and highlight 
them for survey teams.  Thanks much, that was a big help.


Messsage #: 454
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:28:41 -0600
Subject: RE: [compass-users] High DPI screens
From: "Larry" 

Tony,

I tested the same configuration on my desktop computer and I get a
significantly different result. I normally run my monitor at 96 DPI at a
lower resolution 1440 x 900. When I crank it up to the same resolution and
DPI as yours, Compass scales the default font from 8 to 5 points. This makes
sense because 96/157 * 8 = 4.9. The font is quite small and not overly
crowded. I'm not sure why your fonts are larger.

I don't like the way the screen looks with DPIs higher than 96. It is not so
much the fonts, but various components such as menus and buttons don't scale
very well so they look crowded and disproportional, especially on older
programs.

For that reason, I usually use a lower resolution than the maximum
resolution available on the monitor. For example, my monitor's native
resolution is 1920 x 1200. (It is a 16:10 screen instead of the typical
16:9.) I find the text too small in 1920 x 1200 mode, so I run the it at
1440 x 900. This gives me the same pixels/inch as my old analog monitor, but
I still get lots more screen area. This resolution was not part of the
normal values available for this video card, however, the card allows me to
create custom resolutions. 

You may not have the option of running at lower resolution. In that case,
you probably should just set the fonts to 5-points. 

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:02 PM
Subject: [compass-users] High DPI screens

Anyone using a high resolution display and having the station names and 
depths almost unreadable in the Viewer due to text overlapping?

I just got a new laptop with a 14" 1920x1080 screen, which has a 
resolution of about 157 dpi. At the default font size of 8, the text 
of the station names overlaps greatly and the names are unreadable 
unless I zoom in too far to see most of the cave. The names are plotting 
larger (relatively) than normal and they overlap so much they can't be 
read. I don't see this overlapping with the same cave map when using 
my desktop with a more standard resolution of 96 dpi or so.

In the Viewer, I changed the font size of the station names to 4 and the 
overlapping is much reduced, so that's a reasonable workaround. I was 
looking at a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution, there were a lot reviews 
saying that Windows and Windows apps don't do a good joy scaling fonts 
and graphics.

Thanks,

Tony.

PS Larry, big cheers for the loop display change -- it works great, and 
now it is much easier to find the bad loops in the Viewer and highlight 
them for survey teams. Thanks much, that was a big help.

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Messsage #: 455
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:16:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [compass-users] High DPI screens
From: Tony Canike 

Thanks Larry.  I've set the font sizes in the Viewer to 5.  Some day I'll experiment with all the app scaling settings in Win 8.1 and see if that's causing what I see. 

 I'll probably keep the display set to full res; I like the higher res and I paid for all those pixels!   :)

Tiny.  

 On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users]"  wrote:
 
 Tony,
 
 I tested the same configuration on my desktop computer and I get a significantly different result. I normally run my monitor at 96 DPI at a lower resolution 1440 x 900. When I crank it up to the same resolution and DPI as yours, Compass scales the default font from 8 to 5 points. This makes sense because 96/157 * 8 = 4.9. The font is quite small and not overly crowded. I'm not sure why your fonts are larger.
 
 I don't like the way the screen looks with DPIs higher than 96. It is not so much the fonts, but various components such as menus and buttons don't scale very well so they look crowded and disproportional, especially on older programs.
 
 For that reason, I usually use a lower resolution than the maximum resolution available on the monitor. For example, my monitor's native resolution is 1920 x 1200. (It is a 16:10 screen instead of the typical 16:9.) I find the text too small in 1920 x 1200 mode, so I run the it at 1440 x 900. This gives me the same pixels/inch as my old analog monitor, but I still get lots more screen area. This resolution was not part of the normal values available for this video card, however, the card allows me to create custom resolutions.
 
 You may not have the option of running at lower resolution. In that case, you probably should just set the fonts to 5-points.
 
 Larry
 
 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:02 PM
 To: [email protected]
 Subject: [compass-users] High DPI screens
 
 Anyone using a high resolution display and having the station names and 
 depths almost unreadable in the Viewer due to text overlapping?
 
 I just got a new laptop with a 14" 1920x1080 screen, which has a 
 resolution of about 157 dpi. At the default font size of 8, the text 
 of the station names overlaps greatly and the names are unreadable 
 unless I zoom in too far to see most of the cave. The names are plotting 
 larger (relatively) than normal and they overlap so much they can't be 
 read. I don't see this overlapping with the same cave map when using 
 my desktop with a more standard resolution of 96 dpi or so.
 
 In the Viewer, I changed the font size of the station names to 4 and the 
 overlapping is much reduced, so that's a reasonable workaround. I was 
 looking at a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution, there were a lot reviews 
 saying that Windows and Windows apps don't do a good joy scaling fonts 
 and graphics.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony.
 
 PS Larry, big cheers for the loop display change -- it works great, and 
 now it is much easier to find the bad loops in the Viewer and highlight 
 them for survey teams. Thanks much, that was a big help.

Thanks Larry.  I've set the font sizes in the Viewer to 5.  Some day I'll experiment with all the app scaling settings in Win 8.1 and see if that's causing what I see.  I'll probably keep the display set to full res; I like the higher res and I paid for all those pixels!   :)Tiny.  On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users]" <[email protected]> wrote:

 

Tony,

I tested the same configuration on my desktop computer and I
get a significantly different result. I normally run my monitor at 96 DPI at a
lower resolution 1440 x 900. When I crank it up to the same resolution and DPI
as yours, Compass scales the default font from 8 to 5 points. This makes sense
because 96/157 * 8 = 4.9. The font is quite small and not overly crowded. I'm
not sure why your fonts are larger.

I don't like the way the screen looks with DPIs higher than
96. It is not so much the fonts, but various components such as menus and
buttons don't scale very well so they look crowded and disproportional,
especially on older programs.

For that reason, I usually use a lower resolution than the
maximum resolution available on the monitor. For example, my monitor's native
resolution is 1920 x 1200. (It is a 16:10 screen instead of the typical 16:9.)
I find the text too small in 1920 x 1200 mode, so I run the it at 1440 x 900.
This gives me the same pixels/inch as my old analog monitor, but I still get
lots more screen area. This resolution was not part of the normal values
available for this video card, however, the card allows me to create custom
resolutions. 

You may not have the option of running at lower resolution.
In that case, you probably should just set the fonts to 5-points. 

Larry

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:02
PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [compass-users] High DPI
screens

 

  

Anyone using a high resolution display and having the station names and 
depths almost unreadable in the Viewer due to text overlapping?

I just got a new laptop with a 14" 1920x1080 screen, which has a 
resolution of about 157 dpi. At the default font size of 8, the text 
of the station names overlaps greatly and the names are unreadable 
unless I zoom in too far to see most of the cave. The names are plotting 
larger (relatively) than normal and they overlap so much they can't be 
read. I don't see this overlapping with the same cave map when using 
my desktop with a more standard resolution of 96 dpi or so.

In the Viewer, I changed the font size of the station names to 4 and the 
overlapping is much reduced, so that's a reasonable workaround. I was 
looking at a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution, there were a lot reviews 
saying that Windows and Windows apps don't do a good joy scaling fonts 
and graphics.

Thanks,

Tony.

PS Larry, big cheers for the loop display change -- it works great, and 
now it is much easier to find the bad loops in the Viewer and highlight 
them for survey teams. Thanks much, that was a big help.


Messsage #: 456
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 12:03:29 -0400
Subject: Renaming stations that appear in multiple surveys
From: Tony Canike 

Hello,

I am working on the data for a 17+ mile cave, and the data has been 
through 40 years of various data management programs.  Over the years, 
the station names became very crazy.  Most of the station names have 
various special characters (%&*[email protected]$) in them, and lots and lots of 
underscores.   There are many pairs of stations that are only 
distinguished by whether they have 2 ("__") or 3 ("___") underscores in 
the names.  And to top it off, the station name prefixes vary 
significantly within a survey, and generally have no relationship to the 
survey name.

I'd like to start renaming the stations to follow a more standard naming 
schema.

Is there an easy way to rename a station while (a) ensuring the station 
name is changed in all the surveys in which it appears and (b) ensuring 
that I don't change the station name to a name that's already used for 
another station?  I'm envisioning a scenario where I'm in the survey 
editor, initiate a change to a station name, and the editor first checks 
to see if that station is already in use and, if so, tells me where the 
new station name is already used and lets me go look at the other 
survey.  And then it finds all the instances of the old station name, 
lets me see them, and offers to change them too.

I could see this feature being useful to anyone who needs to add new 
data to an existing data file -- it would be a "do you really mean to 
tie those two surveys together, or did you just accidentally reuse a 
station name" feature.

Sure, I could do this in a text editor with a search for the new name 
conflicts, and then a search&replace to change the old name to the new 
name.    I have over 3300 stations in the data file, probably need to 
rename most of them, and it would soooo easy to introduce errors doing 
it manually.

Thanks,

Tony.


Messsage #: 457
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 04:23:43 -0600
Subject: RE: [compass-users] Renaming stations that appear in multiple surveys
From: "Larry" 

Hi Tony,

This sounded like a good feature, so I've added something to Compass that
should do what you want. The feature is in the Compass Editor and you can
reach it by selecting the "Surveys-Block Modify Surveys" option from the
menu bar. The tool is on the page labeled "Station Items."

To use the option, enable the "Station Name" checkbox. Next enter the
station names into the "Station Name To Find" and the "Replace With" box. As
you do this, the program will search through the surveys and display any
matching stations below that two station names. That way you can see in
advance, which stations will be replaced and if the new station name matches
a preexisting stations name. Press OK to have the program replace the
station names. I would think that most of the time your new station name
should not match any previously existing station names.

Be aware that the program only replaces station names in surveys that are
highlighted in the Editor's survey list, so you would normally select the
surveys before you use the tool. If you forget and want to replace all
matching stations in all surveys, you can press the "Select All" button at
the bottom of the window.

Since this is a new feature, be careful using it. Make backups of all your
files before you use the new feature.

The new version in on the web site, so check it out and let me know what you
think.

Let me know if you have questions, or notice any problems.

Larry

  _____  

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: [compass-users] Renaming stations that appear in multiple surveys

Hello,

I am working on the data for a 17+ mile cave, and the data has been 
through 40 years of various data management programs. Over the years, 
the station names became very crazy. Most of the station names have 
various special characters (%&*[email protected]$) in them, and lots and lots of 
underscores. There are many pairs of stations that are only 
distinguished by whether they have 2 ("__") or 3 ("___") underscores in 
the names. And to top it off, the station name prefixes vary 
significantly within a survey, and generally have no relationship to the 
survey name.

I'd like to start renaming the stations to follow a more standard naming 
schema.

Is there an easy way to rename a station while (a) ensuring the station 
name is changed in all the surveys in which it appears and (b) ensuring 
that I don't change the station name to a name that's already used for 
another station? I'm envisioning a scenario where I'm in the survey 
editor, initiate a change to a station name, and the editor first checks 
to see if that station is already in use and, if so, tells me where the 
new station name is already used and lets me go look at the other 
survey. And then it finds all the instances of the old station name, 
lets me see them, and offers to change them too.

I could see this feature being useful to anyone who needs to add new 
data to an existing data file -- it would be a "do you really mean to 
tie those two surveys together, or did you just accidentally reuse a 
station name" feature.

Sure, I could do this in a text editor with a search for the new name 
conflicts, and then a search&replace to change the old name to the new 
name. I have over 3300 stations in the data file, probably need to 
rename most of them, and it would soooo easy to introduce errors doing 
it manually.

Thanks,

Tony.

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Messsage #: 458
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:08:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Renaming stations that appear in multiple surveys
From: Luc Le Blanc 

2014-10-25 6:23 GMT-04:00 'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users] :

 This sounded like a good feature, so I?Tve added something to Compass that
 should do what you want.

Larry, your responsiveness is quite impressive - the delay between this
request and your new feature is barely more than what it takes to code it!
You're an inspiration for me to keep working on my (lagging) next Auriga
version and finally release it.

Regards,

Luc Le Blanc
http://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga

2014-10-25 6:23 GMT-04:00 'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users] <[email protected]>:

This sounded like a good feature, so I?Tve added
something to Compass that should do what you want. Larry, your responsiveness is quite impressive - the delay between this request and your new feature is barely more than what it takes to code it! You're an inspiration for me to keep working on my (lagging) next Auriga version and finally release it.Regards,-- Luc Le Blanchttp://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga


Messsage #: 459
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:52:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Renaming stations that appear in multiple surveys
From: Tony Canike 

Larry, thank you very much!  I will give it a try later this week. 
Appreciate the fast work.

Tony.

On 10/25/2014 12:08 PM, Luc Le Blanc [email protected] [compass-users] 
([email protected]) wrote
 2014-10-25 6:23 GMT-04:00 'Larry' [email protected] 
  [compass-users] 
 :

     This sounded like a good feature, so I?Tve added something to
     Compass that should do what you want.

 Larry, your responsiveness is quite impressive - the delay between 
 this request and your new feature is barely more than what it takes to 
 code it! You're an inspiration for me to keep working on my (lagging) 
 next Auriga version and finally release it.

 Regards,

 -- 
 Luc Le Blanc
 http://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga
  
    Larry, thank you very much!A I will give it a try later this week.A
    Appreciate the fast work.
    
    Tony.
    
    On 10/25/2014 12:08 PM, Luc Le Blanc
      [email protected] [compass-users]
      ([email protected]) wrote
    
     A
              
                2014-10-25 6:23 GMT-04:00
                  'Larry' [email protected]
                  [compass-users] <[email protected]>:
                      
                        This
                              sounded like a good feature, so I?Tve added
                              something to Compass that should do what
                              you want.
                  
                   Larry, your responsiveness is quite impressive -
                    the delay between this request and your new feature
                    is barely more than what it takes to code it! You're
                    an inspiration for me to keep working on my
                    (lagging) next Auriga version and finally release
                    it.
                  
                  Regards,
                
                -- 
                Luc Le Blanc
                http://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga


Messsage #: 460
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:17:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [compass-users] Incremental Update
From: Tony Canike 

I forgot to follow up on this update Larry made in July -- #1 below -- 
so that the Viewer and the Blunder tools in the Project manager show the 
same loops.

It works great!   Now it is easy to use Blunder tools to find bad loops, 
and then use the Viewer to visualize the bad loops, which you can then 
print out a partial line plot so the survey team knows what needs to be 
resurveyed.

Thanks again Larry.

T.

On 7/7/2014 5:54 AM, Tony Canike ([email protected]) wrote
 Thanks Larry!   That will make it much easier to display bad loops.  
 Appreciate the update, and I look forward to trying it out.

 On 7/7/2014 5:26 AM, 'Larry' [email protected] [compass-users] 
 ([email protected]) wrote

 I wanted announce a couple minor upgrades:

 1. In the past, the Viewer would display loops by analyzing the plot 
 file data. Since the data had already been processed and reorganized, 
 the Viewer would show different set of the loops than the Statistics 
 and the Blunder tools in the Project Manager would show.

 To solve this problem, the Project Manager now exports the original 
 list of loops used by the Project Manager. This means the Viewer will 
 show the exact same loops that the Project Manager shows. The Viewer 
 can also display an optimized set of loops with minimum length and 
 overlap.

 2. The menu system in the Viewer has been completely reorganized to 
 make it more logical and easier to use. Since people are used to the 
 old system, they may not be able to find certain features. To solve 
 that problem, the help file has an alphabetical list of commands and 
 their corresponding menu sequence. This list is the second item in 
 the help file.

 The new version is on the Compass web site.

 Larry
  
    I forgot to follow up on this update Larry made in July -- #1 below
    -- so that the Viewer and the Blunder tools in the Project manager
    show the same loops. 
    
    It works great! Now it is easy to use Blunder tools to find bad
    loops, and then use the Viewer to visualize the bad loops, which you
    can then print out a partial line plot so the survey team knows what
    needs to be resurveyed.
    
    Thanks again Larry.
    
    T.
    
    On 7/7/2014 5:54 AM, Tony Canike
      ([email protected]) wrote
      
      Thanks Larry! That will make it much easier to display bad
      loops. Appreciate the update, and I look forward to trying it
      out.
      
      On 7/7/2014 5:26 AM, 'Larry' [email protected]
        [compass-users] ([email protected])
        wrote
      
       
              
                I
                      wanted announce a couple minor upgrades:
                1. In
                      the past, the Viewer would display loops by
                      analyzing the plot file data. Since the data had
                      already been processed and reorganized, the Viewer
                      would show different set of the loops than the
                      Statistics and the Blunder tools in the Project
                      Manager would show. 
                To
                      solve this problem, the Project Manager now
                      exports the original list of loops used by the
                      Project Manager. This means the Viewer will show
                      the exact same loops that the Project Manager
                      shows. The Viewer can also display an optimized
                      set of loops with minimum length and overlap.
                2. The
                      menu system in the Viewer has been completely
                      reorganized to make it more logical and easier to
                      use. Since people are used to the old system, they
                      may not be able to find certain features. To solve
                      that problem, the help file has an alphabetical
                      list of commands and their corresponding menu
                      sequence. This list is the second item in the help
                      file.
                The
                      new version is on the Compass web site.
                
                Larry